No ‘W’ phoneme in English Really?

Trying to have the word ‘wash’ sung and get a little exclamation mark and a message saying it, the phoneme W, is invalid in the current language, English. Tried it with ‘wh’ with the same result. Searched the forum thinking it must have raised a query but nothing - so, what’s happening? We can’t use witch, wish, was, white and a hundred more words or is there some silly way out by having three z’s and an extra x before it? Please help as it is not only frustrating but rather baffling!

  1. Did you put the word “wash” in the phonemes? It must be put in lyrics instead.
  2. Did you spell the w phoneme as a capital letter? It must be a small letter instead.
  3. Did you correctly set the languages of the note group and the note itself? Keep it mind they can become different.
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Greetings,

If you are using capital W, change it to small case w. Then tweak the phoneme duration (whatever it is called) to emphasize/deemphasize the w. I’ve had good success with it.

Overall, avoid using capital letters. I didn’t realize the phoneme chart was case sensitive, turns out everything is lower case and should be used that way.

Hope this helps!

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@Mooghead and @Dannyu_NDos - thanks! It is a small w as it is mid sentence- I used a big one in quotes to explain issue. It was in the lyrics as I have no idea how to put it into phonemes! Won’t be able to use app this weekend but will fiddle and hope to have better results next week. Fingers crossed and again thanks!

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I don’t understand. For me it works fine.

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One last thought for when you get back to it next week. Occasionally I run into small, weird issues that I can’t resolve. Perhaps it’s some voices coming in too early despite start time being set to the smallest value or whatever. I’ve found that deleting the note and reentering it fixes the problem most of the time. This is especially true if I change a word in the green box and the phonemes don’t update. FWIW… Good luck!

@Mooghead @ZLY_CZLOWIEK @Dannyu_NDos Yep, you guys solved it - the phoneme was written as a capital - I was so focused on the lyric I just wasn’t seeing it. Many thanks. However, ‘wash’ doesn’t work anyway as it has a hard US sound and I’m a Brit so having to write it as ‘warsh’. I presume there is a simple way of getting British pronunciation but it’s fun to mangle your own language!

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Glad it worked out! This community is full of helpful people and full of great guidance, advice and tips.

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Be careful as some voicebanks will add a hard r sound when you put warsh. There is no simple way to get British pronunciation. You can edit the phonemes like in this thread https://forum.dreamtonics.com/t/other-tuning-why-arpabet/1987/7

but you’d have to know all the languages that are available and their phonemes.

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