Sync to Host Tempo

I’d like to know why Synthesizer V, does not recognise tempo changes, in the same way that many other plug-in’s do, that is by following the DAW’s tempo, or else being able to play back a song and record the tempo but instead I need to import a MIDI file, which does not support ramps, let alone curves, that are now possible in some DAW’s.

Will this situation change, or can it never really be used in the way, that I would argue, many users would want considering how easy it is in other plug-in’s.

[some of this is just speculation on my part]

Synth-V is not a regular VI. It needs to render. I suspect it would require a total rewrite to allow it. MIDI spec doesn’t support ramping, neither does ARA. The fundamental way that most VI’s sync with a host doesn’t apply to Synth-V for rendering. Bit of a catch-22.

I seem to recall (possibly even from this forum) that Synth-V only allows tempo changes every 1/4 note too… so even if a host could simulate ramping with discrete tempo changes, a 1/4 note might not be high enough resolution to work smoothly. And if you were to go to, say 1/16th note snapshots, I suspect making the renders glitch free would be difficult, or increase render time significantly.

Maybe for version 3?

For using ARA in DAW, add dummy short audio, and add empty SV2 ARA. I use cubase.

Then it’s sync when you create new SV2 instrument.

Hi,

Thank you for that response, it is much appreciated.

I have been using EmvoiceOne, and it has been spectacular, at assisting me with constructing songs, based on simple melodies that I wrote using a keyboard, which I played into the plug-in, and then I was able to compose chords around the new melodies that I fashioned inside the plug-in, however while there is speculation regarding the company itself, I have had no issues.personally.

Regarding Synth V, I was interested some time ago prior to the new Choir voices being released but I was turned off by the lack of clarity around native and non-native tongues, and so I have demoed the new voices, and I am quite impressed, however my songs use complex tempo using Nuendo, and there are DAW’s, available now that support not only ramping, but also curved tempo changes, so I cannot understand why the industry as a whole isn’t more focussed on this, as part of the MIDI 2.0 rewrite and optimisation of the specification, since it is a serious limitation on serious composers.

I just checked and it looks like I was wrong about the 1/4th note resolution for tempo changes, so effectively you can do what you need to in your DAW… you just need to draw your tempo curves using Steps instead of using Ramps, because Synth-V needs distinct tempo changes. Use the pencil and draw your tempo changes in. ARA Bridge mode in Cubendo will pass them all to SV.

I realize that this is not as convenient as using ramp mode, but at least it works and gets you all your tempo changes.

S-V is an anomoly - I wouldn’t expect the industry to write MIDI 2 spec for an anomoly. It would be up to the anomoly to conform.

Hello,

There is no way I am going to change my practice regarding tempo but thank you for the clarification, moreover, I would not change DAW for the sake of Tempo Curves, e.g., StudioOne however saying that, were StudioOne to introduce a proper drum editing facility, then I might be interested however I am hopeful Bezier Curves for tempo, are implemented in at least a 2nd DAW, since in web and programming, 2 implementations must exist for a standard to be adopted.

It is unfortunate that Synth V, does not have what I would consider to be basic functionality, since as a song changes, so should vocal rendering, and while that may increase system requirements, is there no need to stay on top because I am sure, DreamTonics are not the only company invested in vocal synthesis technology,