Companies need a revenue stream. At least Dreamtonics didn’t go the ACE route - they kept the products separate. I would have been a bit annoyed if I’d bought into Vocoflex, but I think they’ve improved Synth-V significantly over the years, and who is to say its even the same dev team working on Instrument-X?
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You obviously didn’t read what I said. I acknowledge that they need to make money and that they need to compete. But I keep saying this over and over and over again: they released a new orchestral instrument (as in, something that I personally don’t have any need or interest in, even if some do) before they released a final version of Synth V 2.3 (which is the only reason many of us even care that Dreamtonics exists in the first place) You will see that others reported bugs with synth v 2.3 beta, but nothing got addressed. Which worries me to be a sign that things like orchestral instruments will soon be a higher priority than the voices.
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Prefer it if you were improving base features, like finally making the GUI interface much more scalable so I can have much more info on the screen, rather than constantly having to maneuver everythingaround to see what i want.
I can see tons of stuff using logic, your interface is just too large….
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Thank you 
I feel seen and heard
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I don’t know what you’re on, but that doesn’t relate to my post. Ok?
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All voices are usable in Version 2.2.1 version. There’s no beta only vocal. I think Instrument X is being built along side the Synthesizer V. Probably working on ironing out a lot of bugs and fixing pronunciations. I agree it’s frustrating but I do not think Instrument X is going to take away from Synthesizer V. It’s probably just a side project they’ve been working on for awhile.
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Maybe I thinking of an update with one of my newer voices. I don’t remember. But my complaint is by no means the stability of 2.3 beta. It’s actually been not too shabby for me when used as a VSTi and only gets weird when using as an Ara2 FX in Studio one at times. But I thought there were more features to come around August 4th. So I was mostly shocked and disappointed by the release of Instrument X. But who knows, I might have gotten it all wrong with the release schedule. But it’s fine now. All of ok
Ok Bryce. I probably replied to the wrong comment. I’m on nothing other than an initial disappointment about the release schedule, which I’ve made peace with since then. I’m also on a message forum that the company doesn’t interact with. So my airing any grievances on my part fell to deaf ears. Or at least to the wrong set of ears. (Or eyes, as most people typically read message forums assuming they’re not visually impaired)
Oh. Dude, sorry I didn’t see that the comment I was replying to wasn’t the main topic thread, but rather a reply to your main topic thread. NOW I understand the confusion. So my apologies.
BukyCore, this may not be the right place, but what you’re arguing is not without merit…
When you try to do too many things at once, you eventually lose your identity.
I agree with you about the positioning and timing mistake. Before moving on to “something more,” finish the job already underway!
Synthesizer is first and foremost — at least, that is what its customers have been investing in up to now — a vocal production tool. And that tool can and should still be improved, and above all, it needs to support more languages, because that was really its original core purpose in the first place! Personally, I’ve been waiting for French for… I’ve lost count! I even stopped using Synthesizer several months ago because of this and switched to ACE Studio. And that’s despite the fact that, although ACE often works wonders, I still don’t get the same level of precision Synthesizer offers when it comes to fine-tuning and finalizing a vocal track. But when the choice is between having nothing and having something, the decision was easy.
Dreamtonics is falling into a classic trap that many companies fall into: believing that offering several “average-quality” products will allow them to reach a broader audience, rather than focusing on one “premium-quality” product and being seen as the expert, the reference, and the indispensable solution in that field — which, in my view, is the path they should have followed.
With X, they ultimately blend into the crowd, lose part of their identity, and expose themselves even more than before to an already extremely crowded competitive landscape — sound libraries and similar products. And above all… they are no longer addressing the expectations and needs of their long-standing customers.
Anyway, I’m not here to promote one company and put the other one on trial. But personally, I have made far more progress with my compositions and my work using ACE — among other tools and instruments — than I would have if I had stayed with Synthesizer.
And unfortunately for Synthesizer, even adding instruments now is not enough to bring me back, because ACE has already been offering similar tools for quite some time. For example, it can generate a guitar track from a piano or vocal track. Likewise, my own instruments have already allowed me for years to produce very high-quality choir tracks.
Of course, whether we are talking about vocals or instruments, the editing and manipulation cannot be as surgical as what Synthesizer offers. But in any case, what I create is ultimately intended to be performed by real musicians and singers! Not to replace them entirely…
I’m not here to tell anyone what they should do, and today everyone is trying to find their own way forward, especially given how dramatically AI technology has disrupted the music industry — and many others.
But if I were Dreamtonics, I would remain 100% focused on what I do best, what I truly master, and what I am already recognized for. I would invest all my time and resources into refining, improving, and expanding that tool: supporting more languages, further improving language editing and manipulation, obviously adding well-designed AI features that genuinely make things easier for users, and so on.
Good luck!
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I own Ace too. I enjoy it, but the vocal editing in Synth V goes above and beyond, and that’s all I really want. Even though I see where Ace Studio is going with their app and work towards a full on DAW experience. And once they provide me the minimum being able to use software VSTi instruments, I’d be down. But for now I’m not as into as Synth V for its weird Ace Bridge plugin workflow. I need a real VSTi to make that useful. And, as I said having nothing more than a chord track, their provided symphonic instruments and audio/midi imports, I can’t commit. HOWEVER note and lyric input is INFINITLY nicer in Ace. Man, it’s so easy just to throw down some notes to a beat and BLAM. Melody! And the vocal runs are so perfect. I have found in synth v, vocal runs tend to get kinda legato-ish and goopy. So, I mean I don’t feel I’ve wasted money on Ace. I just feel like I bought it too soon. But from what you’re describing, I can see how Ace is rulling it for you and I’ll totally play around more in a workflow similar to what you’ve described. Also: thank you for making me seem and heard about the Topic I was ranting about
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Could be that the flac from industry and ai legal issues they may have curved their initial stand on vocal synthesis. Who knows?