Hi everyone great to have a forum like this to discuss various topics.
I have a question that perhaps is support related but still would like som advice.
In settings there is a “channel layout” with four options.
1 I use the ARA integration
2) I use the setting “track combined”
3) and in cubase I can add the additional outputs depending on the amount of voices
That works all great.However panning (left ouch right) does not work. I changed the. panning both in Cubase and in synthesiser V but the voice I still in the centre.
My question is what do the four different types of settings mean?
With ARA2 applied on an audio track, I don’t know how to display multiple output tracks coming from SynthV’s “track combined” status.
On ARA bridge link, I can do it (as you did I suppose).
In this case, panning can be done using Pan-left-right automation on each output track. But on my side, panning still works fine directly inside each SynthV track.
Maybe, but with my Cubase 13 Pro and Full ARA (=> ARA2 processing), I have never seen a way to display multiple output tracks on a single audio track. Because of this limitation, I never use ARA2.
But with ARA bridge (or without ARA), it is possible.
So, for multiple output needs (the main issue of this topic…), we can access multiple output tracks (for each existing track available in SynthV). Thanks to the “track combined” parameters.
In Cubase 13 Pro, the output track panning does not work (ARA integration bug I guess). Except, as I said above, with automation on each output track.
claudio said no, but on my side, inside SynthV, the panning always works (as I said above…).
That’s what I state in my reply … 3 different modes …
FULL ARA = Audio to Synth V with limited Synth V settings
ARA BRIDGE = Use ARA to bridge navigation - “nothing” to do with FULL ARA
PLUGIN = Synth V vocal synth editing with All Synth V settings
Would have been clearer if the ARA plugin had ie. a different GUI color
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I have C13, never installed - but there should be no difference in ARA handling
Yes, I’m still waiting for him to respond to my own and only proposed solution suggestion for this issue (with auto-panning). So any other post without a solution could not be interesting for this topic. I had the feeling of off-topic. Except your full description which could help to avoid any confusion (if there is one).
just inserting the Synth V and selecting the “track combined” mode (in settings) allows the vocals to be panned in the DAW. (i used the plain old VST for this example):
in Sonar, it’s creates a pair of mono tracks when insert the VST - presumably the vocal and the aspiration but i didn’t test that here) and you can see the panning is working as expected.
if i switch to “master combined” then everything is centered as there is a master pair of tracks in the output 1 selection. panning in the DAW works as expected on the master but obviously you’re not going to separate the vocals (panning the VST does nothing except perhaps reduce something panned due to whatever pan law SV uses). maybe in stereo mode it would work. did not test that.
Hi everyone,
Thanks for keeping the thread alive and providing additional information to To the actual problem that I’m experiencing.
Currently, I’m using Track combined and incubus you can on the actual plug-in enable additional audio outputs.
However, based on the understanding provided by FOSSILE the outputs are actually mono and not stereo. And excuse my ignorance but can you actually pan a mono track?
Also what does track aspiration isolated mean? Really?
Absolutely - if it were a stereo signal then it would be called balance, not pan the two work differently.
If you had a real singer with a microphone then you would pan that to where you wished in the stereo field - the same is true for any mono signal.
When I add mutliple outputs in Cubase, I get stereo tracks (see images below). But Cubase allows panning with the standard pan button, ONLY on the first track.
So when you enable multiple outputs, only the first one works normally.
The others output tracks cannot use the standard pan button (bug?).
But the workaround I proposed above, use automation and it works again!
This workaround is only to compensate for the inactive pan button.
And this problem occurs on multiple output tracks (nothing related to ARA functionality). See images below:
Activation multiple outputs in Cubase:
For completeness, SynthV’s internal panning still works in my Cubase for every SynthV tracks (even though the Cubase panning button doesn’t).
See image:
I don’t have Cubase so cannot comment on its behaviour and I always use SynthV stand-alone, exporting seperate voice wavs (mono tracks) into Bitwig but what I will say is…
If I understand correctly, you are sending each voice as a stereo track (why?), so SynthV is correcly ‘panning’ that mono source across a sereo field.
Cubase then should NOT even show a ‘pan’ control on a stereo track, it should be a ‘balance’ control!
Imagine this:-
I create a stereo track with a single voice, I pan that voice centre-stage (equal volume on both L and R sides and import it into my DAW.
In my DAW I then use ‘balance’ to adjust that voice to the extreme left (balance control reduces right channel to zero, just as on a domestic Hi-Fi) - all is well, the voice appears on the left only.
Then I create a stereo track with a single voice, I pan that voice over to the extreme RIGHT side.
In my DAW I then use ‘balance’ to adjust that voice to the extreme left, exactly as above (balance control reduces right channel to zero), do you see the problem there?
I ask why are you using stereo channels for a voice? It is a mono signal, using two tracks is just adding to file size and CPU workload. Why are you wanting to pan the signal in SynthV and again in Cubase?
Maybe Cubase would be happier if you convert these tracks to mono then try to pan the mono result - or better still, produce mono tracks in the first place!
Yes, maybe the source sound is mono, but “by default” in Cubase (unless you configure your project differently), all new VST instrument outputs are stereo. And so is SynthV. When you enable multitracks in Cubase, the outputs are also stereo by default (unless you create mono outputs in your project).
This is a default behavior but users can do something different depending on their needs.
Just for interest, this is a snippet of a project with mono tracks but panned to different places so tiny bargraphs show different L and R levels, becoming stereo at that point within the DAW. Each of the project source files (Marius, Cosette etc,) remain mono WAVs on the HDD.
As I said, I use SynthV stand-alone and export mono tracks so different methodologies there.
The above snippet is a SynthV project with eight vocal tracks and a guide instrument track, when I first load the project in SynthV the vocals take about five minutes to be rendered (this is just a hobby for me and I’m working on a laptop with just two cores).
Having got that far I may as well export the tracks so my DAW can concentrate on mixing simple tracks - I have already decided what the lyrics are and how they are sung so see no point in the plug-in option. I may or may not alter the guide track or add/delete other instrumental tracks at this stage.
Now for something like DecentSampler rendering a MIDI stream ‘on the fly’ I absolutely do see a use.
