When you duplicate a track it is not a separate copy but rather an alias. Any changes you do to the original track also apply to the copy. This is different to version 1 where the copy was it’s own entity.
And this is not do bad at all. You can split the track in sections, modify all at once and/or even right click on a section and “disconnect” the group.
First, thank you! I would not have thought about this as a group that can be disconnected so that solved my problem with it and I can certainly live with this With respect, I still think this was not the best choice as this behaves differently from V1. What they could have done was to leave the behaviour as in V1 and just give us two options on choosing duplicate track either with copy or alias. Still, as I said, I certainly can live with this now
Interesting. In SV1, you could have notes that were not in any group. Seems in SV2 notes are always in a group. SV2 automatically adds a group. When I copy a track, it shows this little “chain link” icon to indicate the fact they’re connected. The unlinking mentioned by AleDzMusicProd will make the icon disappear. At least you can visually have a reminder of the behavior. I wonder if there’s a setting to alter this behavior but I suspect not.
It doesn’t seem possible to do this in Synthesizer V Studio 2. I tried deselecting all groups, but as soon as I edited a voice mode, it automatically re-selected the last active group.
I read that group configuration is somehow tied to the global configuration, but currently, there doesn’t appear to be a way to configure voice modes without assigning them to a group. Based on this behavior, I suspect it might be a bug on their end.
Duplicating tracks with groups in V1/V2 is similar.
I think the wrong choice was in V1, inserting notes into a non-existent group.
Grouping offers many advantages for harmonies on multiple tracks with the same notes/lyrics. And it was a major headache to handle ‘groups or not groups’ during scripting development. Thanks at least to V2 for that!
So, duplicate tracks, select all groups and unlink them. I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem like it’ll take very long time.
Also, a script can do this directly with a simple shortcut.
But it’s not so simple if you need to keep linked groups in the new track…
Well the behaviour has changed as duplicating a track worked differently in V1 but as I said, that is not a big concern of mine and is certainly something I can live with. 2.0.4 still has not resolved the mouse drawn pitch curve fault though (or rather the erasing problem of it). Hoping that will get fixed in some future version.
Not for everyone who uses groups, it’s still the same behavior as expected V1=V2.
Well, to me, it seems very wrong to have a copy still be linked to all changes on the track it was copied from!
Linked groups are essential for standard verses/choruses on the same track. So it’s useful, even essential.
On different tracks, it’s a different story. But some users have asked “how to sync groups (with the same notes/lyrics) on different tracks.” But not with specific vocal properties (AI retakes). So syncing groups isn’t that simple to say as… well, it’s a bug!
I am not sure if I am understanding your points well! I am still quite a noobie on Synth V!!
My point is, when I duplicate a track I do not expect that the new track will be linked to the one I copied it from. I have used lots of programs and DAWs and I have not experienced this before plus I don’t believe it worked like this in Synth V 1. Maybe this should be a setting that can be changed?
Yesterday I ruined a good track because I thought I was safely working on a copy but the experiments I did on the copied track actually affected both tracks!
Nope, that’s exactly what it’s done. V1=V2 for groups!!
This is the internal concept of this software.
Learning DAW and getting no results when updating properties, then discovering using the wrong track… We all know about learning software. And learning about groups behavior there could be a good start for V2.
I use a lot of scripts which improve my workflow: Harmony (unlink groups), Renaming groups, Duplicating tracks (unlink groups) for those who need it, etc.
@jfa Have you worked out how to deploy instances of groups in V2, since V2 is missing the groups panel?
What do mean about “deploy instances”?
Groups in SV are comparable to MIDI parts in a DAW (e.g., Cubase).
These don’t usually offer any overarching tools for managing MIDI parts.
You copy, move, rename or delete MIDI parts in the Project window.
SV2 now offers a similar approach with groups, which can also be copied, moved, renamed, and deleted in the main window.
The Groups panel allowed you to view the list of groups and see links/unlinks. It was also the only way to rename title group.
In version 2, all groups can be renamed directly by clicking on them in the arrangement panel. Copying and pasting is possible with a new feature: “Paste” or “Paste as Linked Group.” So more functionality in this case for version 2.
In version 1, creating groups was an additional action after inserting notes. In version 2, it’s automatic: all notes are inside a group. A new dedicated icon allows you to visualize the links (if any) between groups.
Thank @Pat and @jfa for your feedback.
Maybe I was the only user making use of the groups panel, but I liked to have details of what groups were positioned in the tracks, and particularly, if I disbanded a group (for example to start on a revised version) that group would still be available in the groups panel, and maked as unused.
I was then easy enough to drag that unused group back into the timeline, perhaps on a new track, and compare it with the new version.
I also liked to be able right click on a group and choose ‘Disassociate’ which would give me a new, unlinked group to play around with.
I guess it is all about workflow, and something I need to get used to in V2. But like a few other facilities that have been ‘improved’ I’m not sure that this isn’t a backward step. Probably just me being a bit obtuse
I also used the group panel extensively in version 1 and would certainly have continued using it in version 2, just as you described. But I’ve since gotten used to the changed workflow.
I don’t know why they chose to disable the group panel. I personally have never used it (except the first time when I had to rename one… then replace it with my script to instantly rename with the existing lyrics for my workflow).
It’s not a bad idea to use this garbage like this. Unless they bring that button back, you’ll have to use something else, like a muted track as a storage space (or maybe a script).
It’s probably not a dealbreaker, but coming on the back of the various problems being highlighted elsewhere and my severe reservations about the sound of Solaria II this is just one more irritation.
I haven’t started a project from scratch with V2, so I think that’s what I need to do to get to grips with the revised workflow.
Thanks again for the positive feedback. A really useful and lively forum this one has turned out to be, huh?